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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:14:00 -
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:01:00 -
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Another example of how scammers get off without consequences... he'll never leave the station, never have sec status where you could even put a bounty on him (even though that is a totally f'd up mechanic as well)
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.01.14 01:56:00 -
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Andski wrote:scams are a part of the game, as long as the scammer isn't taking advantage of a bug. deal with it. it's just another form of PvP.
what's next, do you want suicide gankers to be banned? you're hilarious
Suicide gankers encounter risk/reward. No balance at all in scamming - it's win for them and loose on so many fronts it's almost impossible to count for us.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.01.14 02:56:00 -
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Andski wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:Andski wrote:scams are a part of the game, as long as the scammer isn't taking advantage of a bug. deal with it. it's just another form of PvP.
what's next, do you want suicide gankers to be banned? you're hilarious Suicide gankers encounter risk/reward. No balance at all in scamming - it's win for them and loose on so many fronts it's almost impossible to count for us. the risk/reward doctrine doesn't apply to everything in eve, and there's risk in scamming (getting outed, wasting your time, etc.)
Really? Risk/reward is all I hear is driving every part of EVE. CCP blather's it constantly. Sandbox proponents say it is required to hold the box together.
Getting outed? So what? They are not going anywhere anyways - the trade hubs are their safe holes while isk/material is transferred anonymously to alts. Many Pilots are claiming that scamming is the most lucrative career there is - because there is zero downside and all it takes are simple bots to execute adverts and scams.
Scamming is the disease that holds EVE back. If it's going to be a trade and continue to be supported by fail, but fully endorsed CCP mechanics - then it needs a balance before the disease finishes eroding the new player base away.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.01.14 03:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:Really? Risk/reward is all I hear is driving every part of EVE. CCP blather's it constantly. Sandbox proponents say it is required to hold the box together.
Getting outed? So what? They are not going anywhere anyways - the trade hubs are their safe holes while isk/material is transferred anonymously to alts. Many Pilots are claiming that scamming is the most lucrative career there is - because there is zero downside and all it takes are simple bots to execute adverts and scams.
Scamming is the disease that holds EVE back. If it's going to be a trade and continue to be supported by fail, but fully endorsed CCP mechanics - then it needs a balance before the disease finishes eroding the new player base away. Actually, using macros to spam adverts or create contracts/trades IS bannable. Making scamming bannable would destroy any notion of Eve being a "sandbox." You're an idiot.
And you can't read. I never said they should be bannable. I said there should be consequences, such as sec hit and station ejection.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:31:00 -
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Marhaba wrote:Miyamato wrote:Marhaba wrote:Miyamato wrote:What would make this trade window scamming impossible would be a final screen that shows the absolute end of the trade.
Say I am buying a BC for 100 million. The battlecruiser enters the window, I put my money into the window and accept. Then the screen pops up with a final trade of Battlecruiser for 100,000,000. Do you Accept? YES. Then voila, the end result is controlled by the server and everything goes through smoothly.
Pretty easy fix really. Fix? I'm not convinced anything's broken. All I see are people saying how if you haven't been scammed in Eve then you aren't playing. Meaning everyone in Eve will at some point be scammed. In one way by this trade window thing. I dunno, I'm just going off what I'm reading in this thread. I have experiencd the trade window though, which is pretty bare bones and something that resembled UO back in 1999. A more secure, and truthworthy trade window is one that has a final acceptance screen that is completely controlled by the server. Server receives the BC, server receives the money, both people agree and a final acceptance appears to the seller and buyer. When both agree, the trade goes through. All in all, pretty easy to do. Trade window scams have been going on since the hayday of MMO's. Almost the first thing people attempted to try back in UO beta. Scamming is a legitimate game mechanic, and I don't think it's CCP's job to prevent scams.
Well CCP doesn't totally agree - they finally put the extra warning in on the courier contracts about load volume. Guess they finally got tired of the noob griefing on oversized contracts.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:46:00 -
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Marhaba wrote:Just curious, why was this not moved to C&P?
Because the OP didn't understand that he had been scammed by a criminal with the assistance of a CCP fail mechanic. He just thought it was a bug.
Then it evolved into a General Discussion on the harm that scamming is having on EVE and the lack of balance in it.
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